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This looks like just what I need. Except! - I like to use Bridge CC to edit Title and Description locally. I've for many years now edited IPTC Title and IPTC Description in Bridge, which successfully uploads to Flickr as Title and Description.

I have some deja-vu here, because I remember when first using Flickr that I could NOT use Windows Explorer successfully before a Flickr upload! As I recall, the problem was that Windows was using XMP? So I settled on using Bridge, but can't get Bridge to write or read to the same fields you're using. Any ideas?

A bit of a MS v. Adobe battle of wills! Shall I send sample files?

Thanks in advance!

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Closed May 12, 2014 at 9:47 PM by Erwyn

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Erwyn wrote Feb 27, 2014 at 7:05 PM

Can you try this:
1) Use Bridge CC to edit/set Title and Description locally for two pictures
2) Upload to Flickr
3) Download using FlickrMetadataSynchr (by syncing to an empty folder, with the download setting on)
4) Edit the title and description locally for one picture and on Flickr for another
5) Sync again using FlickrMetadataSynchr
6) Attach the two local pictures to a comment here
7) Describe in the comment what title/description you typed where for what step

I will then analyze to see what is happening to the metadata.

wrote Feb 27, 2014 at 10:27 PM

IanCC wrote Feb 27, 2014 at 10:27 PM

Thanks for the quick response Erwyn!

The basic problem seems to me to be a discrepancy between Windows Explorer, and Bridge/Flickr (which is why I decided long ago, and after much experimentation, to use Bridge to edit metadata!).

Hopefully the attached screenshots, log, and final photos (= Stage 6) report my experiment (the Stages correspond to your instructions). If not, let me know! I'm only too pleased to help - let me know what else you need me to do :-)

Ian

IanCC wrote Feb 27, 2014 at 10:30 PM

wrote Feb 28, 2014 at 8:15 PM

Erwyn wrote Feb 28, 2014 at 8:15 PM

FlickrMetadataSynchr uses the Windows Photo Metadata Policy through Windows APIs. That built-in policy has certain rules on what physical metadata fields to set and/or update when an application uses the logical names like System.Title and System.Comment (aka description on Flickr). The exact rules can depend on the Windows version you are running. Windows 7 and above comply with the most recent Metadata Working Group specification (http://www.metadataworkinggroup.org/specs/).

For System.Title the policy is: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ee720034(v=vs.85).aspx
For System.Comment the policy is: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ee719908(v=vs.85).aspx

I think the magic lines in the sync log are these on step 3:
  • Updated title for local picture with id F:\FMS sync down\Pic A headline created in Bridge.jpg from 'Pic A description created in Bridge' to 'Pic A headline created in
Bridge'.
  • Updated description for local picture with id F:\FMS sync down\Pic A headline created in Bridge.jpg from 'User comments' to 'Pic A description created in Bridge'.
  • Updated title for local picture with id F:\FMS sync down\Pic B headline created in Bridge.jpg from 'Pic B description created in Bridge' to 'Pic B headline created in
Bridge'.
  • Updated description for local picture with id F:\FMS sync down\Pic B headline created in Bridge.jpg from '' to 'Pic B description created in Bridge'.
According to the metadata polices your description is read as System.Title and System.Comment is not the description you expect.

In the attachment I have shown the metadata as displayed by Windows Explorer (in Windows 8.1) which also makes this clear. Also in the file are the dumps from all the metadata in the pictures.

So the metadata as set by Bridge is not suitable to be read/updated properly using System.Title and System.Comment using the Windows Photo Metadata Policy.

Especially for you I have created a new version with a hidden setting to switch to using different local metadata properties for title and description. With this I could successfully sync your pictures. Have a try yourself using the version in the attachment.

IanCC wrote Mar 3, 2014 at 10:54 AM

Thanks Erwyn, that seems to be working perfectly now! Really appreciated. Only just tested as I've had someone staying over the weekend.

I'm sure I can't be the only one using Adobe rather than MS for image editing (quite possibly there are more Adobe?). Maybe you should put a setting (checkbox or radio button?) for 'Alternative Sync' or 'Adobe Sync'?

Cheers

Ian

Erwyn wrote Mar 3, 2014 at 12:46 PM

Great that it works for you Ian!

Yes, I am considering exposing that setting in the UI (currently it can be changed in the configuration file) if I can get more confirmation that it works fine across Adobe products. Then I will publish a new version here.

wrote May 12, 2014 at 9:47 PM

Resolved with changeset 108696: Version 1.7.0.0. Upgraded to FlickrNet changeset version 105734 to support mandatory switch to HTTPS for the Flickr API. Added configuration setting (config file only) to use metadata synching compatible with Adobe Bridge. Work in progress on switching to OAuth.